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There's much food for thought to be had here but I would argue that the broad brush approach of involving yet another branch of 'government' oversight or committee is not compatible with what you see as a remedy... and logical, simple remedy it is

'Government' and indeed Polly Ticks (professional parasites) are the number One cause of all peoples of 'Australia' problems; To expect any Polly Tick or a Committee formed with approval from the Polly Ticks (Taxpayer Funding) to resolve the issues previous Polly Ticks created is tantamount to insanity...

No matter how simple and pure of intent any Polly Tick approved 'committee' starts out as, it inevitably gets twisted into a tangle of red tape so even more 'statutes' are created in a vain effort to de-tangle the red tape kitten ball which, as political history has proven time again, only a small portion of the tangled mess will (might) get untethered while those caught up in the red tape tangle, ie The People, inevitably lose their voice (will) as 'boss man' bangs out more rules for engagement with 'boss man'... a long twisted path is created with the wilful intent of slowing down any transformative positive progress

Both 'whitey' and 'black fella' have been caught, snared, trapped into a belief that 'boss man' is needed to run their lives

Tribe, or Community, are well capable of self-determination; Any Tribe or Community that has no respected and consensual order will eventually fall into chaos and collapse thus neighbouring consensual Tribes or Communities will 'acquire' what is left of said collapsed Tribe or Community by natural attrition; New Boundaries will be set and a peaceful harmonious Tribe or Community will grow or more aptly, extend it's territory

But what of those displaced by the collapsed Tribe or Community? Where do they go? Will they bring their troubles with them into the next Tribe or Community or will they assimilate into their now new environment? History has proven time and again that the displaced will often refuse to assimilate bringing their troubles with them thus forcing their new host to deal with the outsiders problems... more rules are made that further erode the voice of The People in a vain effort to appease the former displaced

As we can see with my brief analysis here, what ought be simple gets very complicated eventually, mostly because people keep giving 'boss man' the keys to every aspect of their self (sovereignty) and their Tribe or Community

'Boss Man' ought be put back back in his place and do as the original job description was intended; Look after, maintain and improve the Common Ground (nation) and provide a defence structure to deter foreign 'forces' invasion of the nation

Local Peace Keepers keep the villains in check with aide from the Tribe or Community peoples; National Peace Keepers keep the peace on Common Ground or for the Common Good of the nation

What is clear to I is that the structure of both 'government' and the (former) Peace Keepers have become a Forceful control mechanism; They are no longer about peace and good governance but outright control of the very people whom they are meant to serve and indeed work With;

this has been the way since the first Slave Ships arrived on this land mass and for a brief period of time just before and just after Federation, Peace and Good Governance was the order of the day; All of 'us' lived in harmony with a Common Purpose binding us all... Building a new nation based on the wishes and living will of The People with guidance from those genuinely elected to serve in the best interest of the People and the Nation

We, as a collective of People, let this slip through our fingers; The Polly Ticks sold us to foreign interests who now dictate the 'terms and conditions' by which we are all being Forced to abide by while the Polly Ticks and political protection minions thrive and prosper from the toil of the people and increasingly more, the 'fines' paid by the people for 'breaking' rules no matter how minor or trivial that 'rule' might be; No Crime committed; No Harm caused; No Damage done yet State somehow has a claim for damages which is exactly what a 'fine' is...

Tribe and Community have all but vanished as people everywhere struggle to make life work; People are forced to look inwards; Focus on self; None of us are meant to be slaves to an 'economic' machine; We are the economy; We are The Common-wealth; We are the producers that keep our bellies happy and the producers of the widgets that (ought) make life easier for all of us

This isn't a Koori problem; This isn't a Gubber problem; This is a We problem; Yes, the young Kooris are reacting violently to this problem and some would say rightly so if they dared open their eyes to the big picture but we need to look also at youth crime in general; It's easy to focus on the needs of one particular group of people, especially when they are corralled into relatively small urban areas, but this displacement youth everywhere are (apparently) feeling is only a knee-jerk reaction to the situation caused by Polly Ticks and so-called Policing as the gap between the haves and have-nots grows wider and wider still

Family has been deliberately sabotaged by 'boss man' all across the board; Black, White, Yellow, Brown, makes no difference; Got a problem in the family, call 'boss man' and he will solve it; Got a minor problem with a neighbour, call 'boss man' and he will solve it... all roads lead to 'boss man' instead of the Family unit; When Family is so easily divided, I'd say conquered, what hope for growth and self determination does a Tribe or Community have?

But hey, what would I know? I have no 'credentials' nor have I ever worked for or been funded by 'boss man'...

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The problem, as I see it, is that putting "boss man" in his place is never going to work. Because we give "boss man," hence the title-- too much power. Do we NEED a "boss man"? Are we not grownups? There are many cultures that have done very, very well without some form of centralized govt, but we "Westerners" arrogantly look down on them as "savages" or some other term of superior knowledge on our parts... And look where it gets us, nearly all of us! While I will easily agree that it's not NECESSARILY the end result, always and forever, of having a centralized govt-- I don't feel a need to be "governed," or taxed or told how to live. Problems can be dealt with by groups of citizens called upon at the time of need. Give the kind of power we see in typical "Western" cultures and it is ALWAYS having to be reeled in, checked, undone, curbed, punished, imprisoned... etc etc.

Then there's the whole Globalist question... Running the world from behind a curtain, and we're finding out these days that this has been going on, by the same families over thousands of years, and that they deliberately try to beat us down, psychologically, socially, culturally, and every which way, and WE simply don't seem to NOTICE, at least, not consciously.

There's a Whole Nuther Mindset coming... I can't wait, I want it NOW. We have the potential to be SO MUCH BETTER... happier, healthier, etc etc

I thought the description of the native peoples of Australia was quite compelling... I feel the same way about many of the American Indian tribes.

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Why would putting 'boss man' in his rightful place Not work? We take away the notion of 'boss' and leave man to be an elected representative of the peoples will and wishes which is what 'government' and parliaments were intended to be; If not abroad, then definitely here on this land we now call 'Australia' Our Forefathers tried to eliminate forms of Government like that of the US which by the time Our Constitution was written, was very much a Corporate Entity

Before I digress too far...

Think of what a collective of Owls is called to comprehend what parliament ought to be; A meeting of wise minds not a single group of birds instilling 'the party' will unto the rest of the flock; Government is meant to be the overseer of the parliament; Keep it under control; Don't let it stray from the Law of the Land; Anything outlandish (Unlawful) coming from parliament gets shut down... not 'debated' in secret hollows where the majority of the flock have no final say as the alleged and purported Owls (politicians) in Government figure out ways to circumvent the Will of The People and Law of The Land (Constitution) which is derived from Natural Lore with Spiritual Guidance agreed upon by via majority consensus as being Indissoluble by Whereas The People. nothing there written about 'CITIZENS' or Politicians; Anything not explicitly stated is explicitly not included

(You may want to look up the definition of the word 'Citizen' in a Blacks Law Dictionary. 4th Edition if you can find it) (you very-well may choose to never describe yourself as a 'Citizen' ever again)

I for one am not the property of any Fictional Entity: I am not a Fiction; I am not a Citizen; I am Mark; A Living breathing Man whom 'identifies' as such; I am not part of a 'Body Politic'... I have a body, a soul and a head with a functioning brain; I can and do think for thyself and can and do manage my own affairs; I don't need a Political 'Head' to do any thinking for I or who May (or may not) 'GRANT' me 'CERTAIN' rights and privileges when there is no definition of what these 'CERTAIN' rights are: This is the very definition of ceding Ones Sovereignty...

Like you, I don't have any need to be 'Governed' (controlled) by any man or group and I contend no right-minded man does; Most of us are not psychopaths or lunatics; Most of us have respect for others and their possessions; Most of us will make amends if we accidently damage another's possessions; Most of us have a conscience; Most of us know the difference between right and wrong yet we are being 'Governed' by rules made for a few bad apples who have no respect for life or property... all for our 'safety' apparently while anyone who breaks said rules can easily find himself at the end of 'boss mans' baton or gun without 'the right' to defend himself and it matters not what the colour a mans skin might be

Here's where I ought refer back to my original post to save repeating what I've already stated

What the British did to both the Aborigine and the 'First Settlers' was abhorrent and evil; Unfortunately, many Aborigine don't see what happened to 'whitey' as being comparable to what happened to them but to detail it here would take up much time and space from an otherwise helpful article; Suffice to say, Aborigine and 'Convict' alike suffered greatly at the hand of the British Empire no matter what the (his) Story books say... and it is still happening today

On the other hand, what the 'pilgrims' did to Amerindians was very much a one sided affair; Many scholars and learned rightfully call what the 'pilgrims' did to Native Americans "the largest Genocide ever recorded" yet 'America' demands the world's people view IT as the shinning light of Life, Liberty and Justice... even as IT continues to Genocide any peoples who do not agree with 'US Diplomacy and Foreign Policy'

(shhh....don't make any mention of US Monetary Policy)

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Ohhhhh, I just saw where I lost you...

"putting the boss man in his place..."

I misunderstood you. I thought you meant IN POWER...

Sorry for that.

All my talk about ditching central govt... NO I donut need no stinkin' BOSS MAN!

LOL Sorry for the mistake there... I type way too fast for my own good.

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Looks like you oversaw the word 'rightful' and still have with "putting the boss man in his place..."

I always do my level best to state Exactly what I mean so that there is no room for or need to interpret thy words

I mean Exactly what I state and state Exactly what I mean yet many still find words that do not exist in thy statements; You are far from alone in this regard...

Apology accepted; Besides, it gave I the opportunity to expand thy thinking for more to read

"I type way too fast for my own good" No, perhaps you Read too fast for your own good

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You're probably right.

I'm usually inundated with emails and copious amounts of comments to go through, because I consider this nightmare we're living through to be my PRIMARY focus. I want to fix it all. I want everything to be clarified, and I want the ENTIRE WORLD to see what's going on, and let's FIX IT. I am impatient, I am tired of it, and I know we've got a ways to go.

Thanks for being good enough to give me the benefit of the doubt.

I am not driven by ego (not toooo much, ha), but DRIVEN, yes, to FIX everything. It's what I do. And THIS... is a biiiiiiig job. I know I can't do it all, but I so want to be part of the fixing! I'm compelled to be.

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I think I know exactly how you feel with all of this crap we are being force-fed by the-powers-that-ought-not-be to endure life instead of living life and like Yourself, helping to fix the mess we are all in is now my Primary focus and has been for the last 5 years at the very least

I too get impatient waiting for others to join in the fight; Unfortunately, it seems as though we will be a long time waiting; I am tired; Very Tired but I am encouraged witnessing more people join in on the 'Corporate Government' discussions over the last few months; Hopefully this leads to a natural exponential growth; One tells Ten others and all that jazz...

I am not driven by ego...I think I don't have any and have not for a very long time; I am but One man among many men but when I know I am correct, I will not back down when others try belittling I with hollow rhetoric and slanderous character-assassination type abuse which is all-too frequent for the last 4 years or so; I'm all 'ears' for anyone whom can prove me wrong with factual evidence; I might learn something new; I always consider other peoples thoughts and opinions but when I get confronted with obvious non-sense and tirades of abuse, thy heckles come up and I defend thy honour in no uncertain terms

As the saying goes; "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem"

I want, no 'need' to be part of the solution

Let's hope and pray 2025 is indeed a Happy New Year!

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And PS... I assume you know what the Crown Corporation is... Are you aware that all lawyers (and those often become judges) take an OATH to the Crown Corporation? That is creepy, if you ask me. I'm not sure exactly how that goes, either, whether they're AWARE of doing that, or if the wording is obfuscated...?

Anyway, there ARE good judges (tho since the 50's they've been drastically pruned back), and there MIGHT be good attorneys, ha ha. I haven't seen one myself, for a loooong time. A little power goes a long way to twitch up people's ideas about their own WORTH... Well, later, gator, this was good chat! Glad you're not a Fiction, my friend. ;)

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Yes, you have assumed correctly; I am well aware of what the BAR clowns swear their 'oath' to... I have openly challenged IT several times when forced to enter into negotiations with the BAR by the Corporate Policy Enforcers... and I am still here free to type this reply to you!

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Then I doff my dog hat to you!!! xo xo I’m arf for the evening now… Keep in touch! ^_^

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Cheers!

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Well, to be brief, because I gotta run in a sec...

You can take just about anybody, give them power, and they will be corrupted.

It's just how it works, and has been that way for... ever? Human Nature? I don't know, but so far, every time we do this, we get the SAME result. Besides, I am very much clear in my own mind that I DON'T NEED to be "governed," which feels like being treated as a CHILD who cannot control her or himself. The only POWER we are given in the anarchy scenario is our own, over ourselves. We might have groups of people to deal with recurring issues, like dealing with those who have broken laws, such as killing someone, etc. And those groups change and vary so to keep things CLEAR and nobody gets to hoard the POWER... You can read about how many of the First Peoples set up their social order, which was similar, and you could call it "anarchy," at least some of them-- but Anarchy is of course lied about and said to be CHAOS, which is just BS. It's very organized, or it doesn't work. Anyway, cool conversation, but I gotta run for now. Cheers.

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"being treated as a CHILD" is exactly what the 'CITIZEN-SHIP' is; A ship lost at sea (see) full of Wards Of State or as some rightfully call it, a ship of lunatics who cannot manage their own affairs so they Need someone with a (purported) sound mind to Re-Present them for they cannot speak for themselves

Like much else in this world, the definition of Anarchy has been deliberately obfuscated into Lawless Chaos when as you rightly point out, anarchy is far from chaos or it would not achieve anything for the benefit of the Anarchists

No, Anarchy is the denial and defiance of 'the establishment' who thinks IT has the right to rule over and above the lives of the many...it is not about destroying everything that the (now) anarchists built with their own hands

Great to have a civilised discussion with someone for a change

Thanks

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Thanks, and thanks. ;)

You said it well, and I share your irritation and outrage, obviously!

Good to meet up with like-minded folks, and that's one reason why I like SS.

Cheers, Mark!

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It is good to meet like-minded people without interference from the 'influencer' types who gather in droves on many platforms to create division and arguments

Even the larger, dare I say, more popular SS pages are being infiltrated by the narrative steerers

Funny enough, most of these 'popular' pages all relate to 'covid' and the need for 'justice'; None of them address the real issue(s) of how and why 'covid' and all the crap that went with it came to be in the first place

Even Tony here refuses to acknowledge that Corporate pretend Government and all of ITS Corporate Subsidiaries like the 'police' and 'Local Government' are the real issue

I guess Tony's attitude towards IT stem from being in the employ of said 'government' institutions for so long...

Will I get blocked from here now too? Possibly but I don't 'spare the rod' just for the sake of 'going along to get along'

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Why would putting 'boss man' in his rightful place Not work? We take away the notion of 'boss' and leave man to be an elected representative of the peoples will and wishes which is what 'government' and parliaments were intended to be; If not abroad, then definitely here on this land we call now call 'Australia' Our Forefathers tried to eliminate forms of Government like that of the US which by the time Our Constitution was written, was very much a Corporate Entity

Before I digress too far...

Think of what a collective of Owls is called to comprehend what parliament ought to be; A meeting of wise minds not a single group of birds instilling his will unto the rest of the flock; Government is meant to be the overseer of the parliament; Keep it under control; Don't let it stray from the Law of the Land; Anything outlandish (Unlawful) coming from parliament gets shut down... not 'debated' in secret hollows where the majority of the flock have no final say as the alleged and purported Owls (politicians) in Government figure out ways to circumvent the Will of The People and Law of The Land (Constitution) which is derived from Natural Lore with Spiritual Guidance agreed upon by via majority consensus as being Indissoluble by Whereas The People. nothing there written about 'CITIZENS' or Politicians; Anything not explicitly stated is explicitly not included

(You may want to look up the definition of the word 'Citizen' in a Blacks Law Dictionary. 4th Edition if you can find it) (you very-well may choose to never describe yourself as a 'Citizen' ever again)

I for one am not the property of any Fictional Entity: I am not a Fiction; I am not a Citizen; I am Mark; A Living breathing Man whom 'identifies' as such; I am not part of a 'Body Politic'... I have a body, a soul and a head with a functioning brain; I can and do think for thyself and can and do manage my own affairs; I don't need a Political 'Head' to do any thinking for I or who May (or may not) 'GRANT' me 'CERTAIN' rights and privileges when there is no definition of what these 'CERTAIN' rights are: This is the very definition of ceding Ones Sovereignty...

Like you, I don't have any need to be 'Governed' (controlled) by any man or group and I contend no right-minded man does; Most of us are not psychopaths or lunatics; Most of us have respect for others and their possessions; Most of us will make amends if we accidently damage another's possessions; Most of us have a conscience; Most of us know the difference between right and wrong yet we are being 'Governed' by rules made for a few bad apples who have no respect for life or property... all for our 'safety' apparently while anyone who breaks said rules can easily find himself at the end of 'boss mans' baton or gun without 'the right' to defend himself and it matters not what the colour a mans skin might be

Here's where I ought refer back to my original post to save repeating what I've already stated

What the British did to both the Aborigine and the 'First Settlers' was abhorrent and evil; Unfortunately, many Aborigine don't see what happened to 'whitey' as being comparable to what happened to them but to detail it here would take up much time and space from an otherwise helpful article; Suffice to say, Aborigine and 'Convict' alike suffered greatly at the hand of the British Empire no matter what the (his) Story books say... and it is still happening today

On the other hand, what the 'pilgrims' did to Amerindians was very much a one sided affair; Many scholars and learned rightfully call what the 'pilgrims' did to Native Americans "the largest Genocide ever recorded" yet 'America' demands the world's people view IT as the shinning light of Life, Liberty and Justice... even as IT continues to Genocide any peoples who do not agree with 'US Diplomacy and Foreign Policy'

(shhh....don't make any mention of US Monetary Policy)

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This thread is confusing, it's all cattywompus, as my dad would say.

I DO think we're agreeing. ^_^ This is 10:57 on 12/30 and I'm arf for now...

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We do agree Word Herder and I don't read any 'cattywompus' here; The discussion has only gotten a bit complicated because of presumptions and assumptions... I refuse to entertain that stuff and stick with exactly the words that are presented... even If I have to read the words several times to let the words sink in;

It is now 11:42AM on 31/12/2024 here in Australia

Happy New Years eve! (hahahaha, I beat ya to 2025)

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^_^

Happy New Year, mate!

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Because, see above, but in a quick note: It's a rare person who does not succumb to the delirium of POWER.

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'Authority' is not a delusion I succumb to; You (they) want to say they 'authority' over I, then prove where that implied 'authority' is derived from or piss off...

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Oh, I guess you're a bit prickly. Well, it's understandable! But...

I didn't mean YOU personally, or maybe I did, generally, but I include myself, too.

ANYONE, given a LOT of power over others... Well, I'd want to surround myself with people who would kick my ass if I got too puffed up...

It's a RARE person, it seems, who can alone resist the temptation...

Or so I understand, I haven't been tested that way, hence my irritation with assholes that FAIL, lol. Like MOST of them in power... I can't even think of anyone who hasn't failed, but I'm sure there's one or two!

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This is where presumptions and assumptions inevitably lead to... The need to clarify what is already clearly stated

Am I 'prickly'?... Not really; I just wish people would take the time to read and comprehend the words 'written' so assumptions and presumptions are no longer part of the discussion

I know you, Word Herder, didn't point the finger personally at I; I knew you were generally 'speaking' and I took your words as such

in this regard, "You" is a very problematic word when there is no clarifying about who "you" is; "You Mark" or "You Word Herder" is clarifying who the word 'You' is referring to; 'You' is both singular and plural when outside of a One on One conversation where there is no need to clarify who the 'You' is we are 'speaking' to;

Clear as mud? I hope not...

In this instance, using 'most people' or 'most of us' in place of the word 'you' would be more apt; this (ought) takes any guess work out of the equation...

You're a good egg; You are obviously humble enough to rectify your 'written' mistakes... This is how we (all People) learn my friend; And we (ought) never stop learning; I think I've learned more in the last 5 years than in all my previous 50 odd years

Biggest lesson I have learned is: words matter and how we use words matter more than most people care to think about.

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Well said, by the way! lol I meant to say that first.

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WOW.

WOW.

WOW.

The solution(s) are clear.

It is heart-breaking to consider that the destruction of culture, family, etc etc etc IS DELIBERATE. And in my opinion, THIS is the critical fact, the essence of what our future, as Humanity, is to be. I am hopeful that if ALL of us (except the Globalist Psychopathic Alliance, of course-- we can deal with how to deal with them in another post!) can be aware of, and embrace, the NATURAL ORDER of how to live well, as clearly elucidated here, we will flourish once again. I have long thought the INDIGENOUS cultures to be far wiser and FAR better, in every way, than the crushing hell of the -- I'll just call it "Corporate"-- culture and sick, perverse ways of living, raising children, and so forth. This is a ROADMAP for the New Life we all want!

THIS IS AN AMAZING, BRILLIANT POST... I will immediately share it!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thank you, Word Herder. We learn from each other.

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I love that. SS was a life-saver for me. ^_^

Cheers, and let's make the whole world Substacky!

^_^

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Tony Ryan's avatar

At the moment, the only buoyant crafts that hold analysis of the litany of wrongs in the world seem to flow on the Great Word River known as SUBSTACK. May we form a flotilla that becomes a great armada, riding the flood that drowns all tyrants.

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The Word Herder's avatar

Hear, Hear!!

xo

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David Charles's avatar

You, without doubt, have to be one of this planet's dullest of people.

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Tony Ryan's avatar

Blush, I do my best.

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Well, ya dun GREAT on this, m'dear. xo

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There is so much to chew on here it is truly profound.

Do the city Aborigines even fully comprehend the amount of law and culture they've lost? As a descendant of colonialism, I sure as hell do not.

You'd have made one hell of a PM, Tony, if you'd also had a parliament in support of the reforms Australia needs to move into the 21st century and bring REAL reconciliation.

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